peterb
March 31, 2011, 2:31pm
1
Hello all,
I have a header with an image text image and the text is only three words, one under the other. The problem is that although everything lines up nicely using firefox, in IE 8 (haven’t checked the other IE’s) the text is not completely centered.
The css is as follows:
#content_user1 {
height: 225px;
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
padding: 0px 0px 0px 2px;
float: left;
width: 225px;
text-align: left;
}
#content_slogan {
margin: 35px 0px 0px 50px;
padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
float: left;
width: 200px; /* 350 */
}
#content_slogan h1 {
margin:0 auto; /*center hack*/
padding: 20px 0px 0px 0px;
color: #DEBD08;
font-family: "Times New Roman", Arial, Georgia;
font-size: 3em; /* 2.5 */
line-height: .9em;
font-weight: bold;
text-align: center;
}
#content_user2 {
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
float: right;
width: 225px;
text-align: left;
}
Here is the html code in the page:
<div id="content_user1">
<img src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/alexander_the_great_marble_bust_222px.jpg" alt="alexander_the_great_marble_bust" width="222" height="222" />
</div>
<div id="content_slogan">
<h1>ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ</h1><h1>ΕΣΤΙΑ</h1><h1>ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</h1>
</div>
<div id="content_user2">
<img src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia-222px.jpg" alt="philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia" width="222" height="222" />
</div>
<div class="clear"></div>
I tried using the text embedded in one set of h1 but that didn’t work.
PaulOB
March 31, 2011, 3:03pm
2
How is it supposed to look as it looks the same to me in Firefox and IE8?
Is the text to be centred in the middle of the page or at one side like you have it now? Or are you talking about the 3 words being centred with each other but aligned to the left in repsect of the page?
It’s hard to tell how you meant it to look.
Also, that h1 should probably look like this instead…
<h1>
PaulOB
March 31, 2011, 3:23pm
4
I think you wanted something like this:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<style type="text/css">
h1#content_slogan {
margin:0 auto 0; /*center hack*/
padding:30px 225px 0 225px;
height:205px;
position:relative;
color: #DEBD08;
font-family: "Times New Roman", Arial, Georgia;
font-size: 3em; /* 2.5 */
font-weight: bold;
text-align: center;
position:relative;
min-width:350px;
}
.bust1{
position:absolute;
left:0;
top:0;
}
.bust2{
position:absolute;
right:0;
top:0;
}
h1#content_slogan span{
display:block;
padding:5px 0;
position:relative;
z-index:2;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<h1 id="content_slogan"><span>ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ</span> <span>ΕΣΤΙΑ</span> <span>ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</span><img class="bust1" src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/alexander_the_great_marble_bust_222px.jpg" alt="alexander_the_great_marble_bust" width="222" height="222" /><img class="bust2" src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia-222px.jpg" alt="philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia" width="222" height="222" /></h1>
</body>
</html>
You can’t use 3 h1’as as that makes no sense and usually there is only one h1 to a page.
If the busts aren’t important to the content then they could be background images instead. One on the h1 and one on another internal span.
system
March 31, 2011, 3:49pm
5
I’m sorry in advance Paul, for using your markup. And thank you.
Here’s my take.
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<style type="text/css">
h1#content_slogan {
margin:0 auto;
width:7em;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<h1 id="content_slogan">ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ ΕΣΤΙΑ ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</h1>
</body>
</html>
peterb
March 31, 2011, 3:52pm
6
First, thank you to everyone for helping.
I tried the breaks but that didn’t work.
I just added Paul’s code and it works for IE but not for FF. In my version, I have an ifie in the index file with some minor adjustments and I have similar css in an external file for ff, etc.
In ff, the right image has moved toward the left a bit.
Here is a link in case you want to see it.Μακεδονική Εστία Αθηνών - Makedoniki Estia Athinon
Sorry, forgot to write that the images are supposed to be on the left and right, while the text should be centered.
My guess is that I have to adjust bust2?
system
March 31, 2011, 4:03pm
7
First off, mine works.
Second, you have two elements with the same id: a div and the h1. It’s bad enough, but when you float the div, it also applies to the h1.
Third:
HTML
<!--
<div id="content_user1">
<img src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/alexander_the_great_marble_bust_222px.jpg" alt="/alexander_the_great_marble_bust" width="222" height="222" />
</div>
<div [COLOR="Red"]id="content_slogan"[/COLOR]>
<h1>ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ</h1><h1>ΕΣΤΙΑ</h1><h1>ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</h1>
</div>
<div id="content_user2">
<img src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia-222px.jpg" alt="philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia" width="222" height="222" />
</div>
-->
<h1 [COLOR="Red"]id="content_slogan"[/COLOR]>ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ ΕΣΤΙΑ ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</h1>
<img alt="alexander_the_great_marble_bust" src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/alexander_the_great_marble_bust_222px.jpg" class="bust1" height="222" width="222"><img alt="philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia" src="http://www.makedonikiestia.gr/images/makest/philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia-222px.jpg" class="bust2" height="222" width="222">
<div class="clear"></div>
CSS
h1#content_slogan {
color: #DEBD08;
font-family: "Times New Roman",Arial,Georgia;
font-size: 3em;
font-weight: bold;
height: 205px;
line-height: 1em;
margin: 0 auto;
width: 7em;
}
template_css.css (line 49)
#content_slogan {
margin: 35px 0 0 50px;
padding: 0;
width: 350px;
/*NO FLOAT*/
}
peterb
March 31, 2011, 4:14pm
8
Yes but the first content_slogan is commented.
I don’t really know if I should have mentioned that it is a 3 column fluid template.
As I also have a copy of this on my local machine, I am checking the code there as well. I will admit that I am self taught using css so based on the way that I used the float it did work, only not perfectly.
system
March 31, 2011, 4:19pm
9
OK. From the top.
Mine works .
You’ve commented the div element… but the CSS declaration targeting the div is still there, and it’s using float:left . Which alters the behavior for the h1 also.
The way you’re doing it it’s a mess. You float the div , which affects the h1 too, and then apply padding to center. A mess.
peterb
March 31, 2011, 4:28pm
10
Well I have removed my coding and it should be cleaner now.
I added a line height to the h1 to give it some line spacing, and I changed the h1#content_slogan coding in the template_css.css file to give it a min-width:450px; so that it pushes the 2nd image further toward the right side.
system
March 31, 2011, 4:32pm
11
We talk different languages.
Glad you sort it out and found a solution you understand.
The br’s work fine (better than the spans in my opinion). Using what you currently have, just take away the spans and replace it as so. And add line-height 1.2em to the h1.
<h1 id=“content_slogan”>Word<br>Word<br>Word
system
March 31, 2011, 6:57pm
13
My “no spans and no brs” works better than both the spans and brs.
<h1 id="content_slogan">ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ ΕΣΤΙΑ ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</h1>
h1#content_slogan {
margin:0 auto;
width:7em;
}
system
March 31, 2011, 9:41pm
14
Those images at the side are presentational, they have no business even BEING in the markup.
The wrapping div is unneccessary if you put an extra span or two inside the h1.
top to bottom that page is filled with unnecessary/nonsensical markup - I’m surprised it only throws 7 validation errors; but it is tranny… with a XML prolog so kiss off IE EVER behaving.
Which begs the question – this is a new page, right? If so, what’s with the Tranny doctype? <broken record>Transitional is for supporting old/outdated/half-assed coding techniques, NOT for building new pages</broken record>
Much less the inlined CSS when you are linking in an external, the IE conditional nonsense 99% of which would go away if you just got rid of the XML prolog, endless unnecessary div and classes, pointless title attributes IDENTICAL to the content of the element they’re on, etc, etc, etc…
As always, I’d start by cleaning up the HTML for the page.
peterb
April 1, 2011, 12:30pm
15
Just made the changes that EricWatson suggested and they appear to work well. Although I had the line height at .9, I like the 1.2em better.
deathshadow60,
I fail to see the problem. The site is working through a cms and I have used this template before with no complaints. IE works just fine with this from what I’ve seen.
Sorry if I am not up to the April 2011 standards. If you have something to contribute, I’d be happy to look at it.
system
April 2, 2011, 9:10am
16
<br> would be my last choice.
First off, I would use em width. Then I would use <span>.
<br> is for when author CSS is not possible. If author CSS is possbile, there is no reason to use <br>. In this case, if author CSS is not applied, it makes little sense to use a multiple lines h1.
system
April 2, 2011, 10:54am
17
Where it would be my first choice – text-align is more reliable than compressed width, especially since legacy IE and Opera both will screw that up when trying to center the elements.
BUT… You’re right on this:
Which is why I’d use SPANS, two of them – well, part of the reason anyways.
The other reason being those extra images that have NO BUSINESS being in the markup! Apply them to the H1 and a nested span… Oh, and with the image interactions on both sides that should all be declared in PX so the layout isn’t breaking at default zoom on large font/120dpi systems like mine.
<h1><span>ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ <span>ΕΣΤΙΑ</span> ΑΘΗΝΩΝ</span></h1>
h1 {
text-align:center;
font:bold 46px/54px "Times New Roman",times,serif;
background:url(/images/makest/alexander_the_great_marble_bust_222px.jpg) center left no-repeat;
}
h1 span {
display:block;
padding:30px 222px;
background:url(/images/makest/philipos_2_of_vergina_macedonia-222px.jpg) center right no-repeat;
}
h1 span span {
padding:0;
background:none;
}
Kinda-sucks to unset the values on the nested one, but it removes a whole bunch of pointless markup in the process. Outer span for the background and padding to make the text look centered (when we’re really centering the images!), inner span just to break it into multiple lines.
That way CSS off it looks like just a normal H1 and the presentational images are nowhere to be found (anyone browsing with CSS disabled probably doesn’t want to see those) while CSS on it does the desired appearance.
NOT that any of this is all that helpful for IE compatibility so long as IE will remain in quirks mode with that XML prolog in place.
Sorry I still think both of you are wrong on the br question. As you know, span is for when there is no other legitimate tag to do the job. In this case there is - br. If OP wants it spread over three lines then why would he still not want it spread over three lines when the .01% user hits it with no CSS?
system
April 2, 2011, 11:14am
19
Problem is, it’s not even up to 1998 coding standards, though admittedly most developers didn’t even start to adopt 1998 standards until 2004; which of course is why the disaster known as HTML5 is so popular since it throws us back to 1997.
Being Saturday I make no promises since I’ve got so much to do (trash, lawn, girl) – but if I have time late tonight or tomorrow I’ll do a rewrite of your page to show what I mean… I can probably belt out the markup sometime after breakfast, but the rest of my day is full. I’ll post up a preliminary markup rewrite soon.
system
April 2, 2011, 12:14pm
20
… and here’s the markup I’d probably be using for that page, +/- 5%.
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
lang="en"
xml:lang="en"
><head>
<meta
http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=utf-8"
/>
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http-equiv="Content-Language"
content="en"
/>
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media="screen,projection,tv"
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href="/images/favicon.ico"
/>
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title="Elxis RSS feeds"
href="/cache/rss20-greek.xml"
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<h2>Ελληνικό Ημερολόγιο</h2>
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Σάββατο <b>2</b> Απριλίου 2011
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Ανατ.: 06.15<br />
Δύση: 18.43
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Σελήνη<br />
28 ημερών
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<p>Παγκόσμια Ημέρα του Παιδικού Βιβλίου</p>
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3/4<br />
Κυριακή Δ' Νηστειών, Ιωάννου Κλίμακος
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<h2>Ο καιρός στην Αθήνα</h2>
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<h4>Ο καιρός τώρα (13:44)</h4>
<strong>Athens, Attiki Greece</strong><br />
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Συννεφιασμένος<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 13 °C<br />
<b>Ανατολή ηλίου</b>: 7:09<br />
<b>Δύση ηλίου</b>: 19:48<br />
<b>Άνεμος</b>: ΒΒΔ 5m/s<br />
<b>Υγρασία</b>: 66%<br />
<b>Ατμοσφαιρική πίεση</b>: 101 mb<br />
<b>Ορατότητα</b>: 16 km<br />
<b>Ανατολή Σελήνης</b>: 6:13<br />
<b>Δύση Σελήνης</b>: 19:00<br />
<b>Φάση Σελήνης</b>: Τελευταίο Τέταρτο
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Συννεφιασμένος<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 13 °C<br />
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<h4>Πρόγνωση για Σάββατο, 2 Απρ</h4>
<strong>Athens, Attiki Greece</strong><br />
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Καταιγίδες<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 15 °C<br />
<b>Ανατολή ηλίου</b>: 7:08<br />
<b>Δύση ηλίου</b>: 19:49<br />
<b>Άνεμος</b>: Β 6m/s<br />
<b>Ποσό βροχής</b>: 0.33<br />
<b>Ποσό χιονιού</b>: 0.00<br />
<b>Πιθανότητα καταιγίδας</b>: 40%<br />
<b>Φάση Σελήνης</b>: Τελευταίο Τέταρτο
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Καταιγίδες<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 15 °C<br />
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<h4>Πρόγνωση για Κυριακή, 3 Απρ</h4>
<strong>Athens, Attiki Greece</strong><br />
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Μερική λιακάδα με καταιγίδες<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 18 °C<br />
<b>Ανατολή ηλίου</b>: 7:07<br />
<b>Δύση ηλίου</b>: 19:50<br />
<b>Άνεμος</b>: Β 4m/s<br />
<b>Ποσό βροχής</b>: 0.25<br />
<b>Ποσό χιονιού</b>: 0.00<br />
<b>Πιθανότητα καταιγίδας</b>: 40%<br />
<b>Φάση Σελήνης</b>: Τελευταίο Τέταρτο<br />
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Μερική λιακάδα με καταιγίδες<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 18 °C<br />
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<h4>Πρόγνωση για Δευτέρα, 4 Απρ</h4>
<strong>Athens, Attiki Greece</strong><br />
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Μερική λιακάδα<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 17 °C<br />
<b>Ανατολή ηλίου</b>: 7:05<br />
<b>Δύση ηλίου</b>: 19:51<br />
<b>Άνεμος</b>: Α 3m/s<br />
<b>Ποσό βροχής</b>: 0.30<br />
<b>Ποσό χιονιού</b>: 0.00<br />
<b>Πιθανότητα καταιγίδας</b>: 40%<br />
<b>Φάση Σελήνης</b>: Τελευταίο Τέταρτο<br />
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Μερική λιακάδα<br />
Θερμοκρασία: 11 ως 17 °C<br />
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