autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-01T01:59:50-04:00 — #1
The other day I had to start using Opera's content blocker for the first time at SitePoint.com, to get rid of the annoying advertisement at the top of the screen.
Today was another first: I had to create a user style sheet to get rid of another friggin' advertisement that littered the top of the page.
If I want something I'll buy it. Please stop insulting me by trying to trick me into purchasing something I neither want nor need. It won't work.
ralphm — 2010-04-01T04:47:03-04:00 — #2
You only have to click Close once to get rid of it for ever (at least in my browser—FF).
I guess that could be considered one time too many, though.
EDIT: don't leave!
stomme_poes — 2010-04-01T05:19:26-04:00 — #3
You only have to click Close once to get rid of it for ever (at least in my browser—FF).
Not on my husband's browser (I don't get them at all; really I don't find the JS on the forums spectacular enough to turn JS back on here), but that could be because... gasp! He blocks cookies! So every visit gets a ninja popping up. However, I'm sure most people have cookies on, so cookie-based ads for some of them (the ninja one) would prolly be better. ShowOnce.
Me, I don't get any of that, and prefer not to see people's user pages with 90% of the information hidden, nor do I want a little dropdown when I click on a user's name (I'm clicking there to get to their user page), nor does the JS quick edit do anything for me (I'd rather always have all my edit options rather than have them removed from me).
I can't think of anything else JS does here that I've noticed, and none of it gives me any benefit, so I'm cool with it totally off here.
autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-01T06:58:20-04:00 — #4
Yes (if you accept cookies left, right and centre). That's why I put up with the ugly, annoying 'catfish' rubbish at the bottom of the viewport.
But if there's a new bl**dy ad every bl**dy day that you have to bl**dy click 'just once', then it isn't 'just once' any more, is it?
And if you use one computer at home and one at work, then it'll be twice the number of clicks.
Marketing people are the enemies of humanity! :mad:
r937 — 2010-04-01T07:37:54-04:00 — #5
content blockers? we don't got no content blockers... we don't need no content blockers... i don't have to use any stinkin content blockers!!!
stomme_poes — 2010-04-01T07:19:59-04:00 — #6
^because they haz no soulz.
autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-01T08:02:11-04:00 — #7
I know, Rudy. You're using Internet Explorer, aren't you? It doesn't have features like that.
r937 — 2010-04-01T08:05:25-04:00 — #8
yes, using IE8 (and proud of it) which does have a pop-up blocker and a download blocker
but ads? who cares? i don't even see ads!!!
it's a human brain plugin and has nothing to do with the browser(s) you might be using
autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-01T08:22:28-04:00 — #9
When they're garish like those they filter through my perception filter and annoy me. And they steal valuable screen real estate.
jjmcclure — 2010-04-01T09:05:42-04:00 — #10
Better not drive down the street then in case you accidently look at a billboard, or buy any magazines in case they have pullouts or inserts or watch TV in case there are adverts in between and every 5 minutes during the programmes or listen to the radio in case there are Ads or blah blah blah
In my view SP don't monetise this site enough, I've even left the Ad at the top because I think it adds a welcome splash of colour to the page. However, if they don't want to lose important members such as yourself, they could at least look at ways of making sure Ads don't show to people who've selected never to see them. I'm quite sure they have the capability to do that.
retronetro — 2010-04-01T09:15:54-04:00 — #11
I too had a user style sheet to hide that last ad at the top that kept sliding down every time I would load the site. Have not gotten to the new one yet though.
autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-01T10:24:18-04:00 — #12
I keep my eyes on the road and the traffic when I drive. Besides, we don't have quite as obtrusive billboards here as you may perhaps have where you live.
I really, really detest all forms of advertising. But the fact that there's already way too much of it isn't an excuse for a – hitherto – moderate and considerate site like SitePoint to add even more.
Different strokes for different folks. I have no problems with that. SitePoint could have a user option about accepting advertisements, so that those who enjoy it can receive it and we who don't can be excused. (It's not like we're likely to fall for the ads and actually buy something anyway.)
I hope SitePoint don't intend to escalate this even more, because I'd really hate to have to leave this place. But I won't stick around if I have to edit my user style sheet or content blocker every f***ing day.
jjmcclure — 2010-04-01T11:42:19-04:00 — #13
The point that I was making is that our world is suffused with advertising and if you're going to have a probelm with SP making some money from the forum that they've developed by adding a few Ads, then really you should have a problem with many other day to day advertising methods too. Clearly you do though. Can you not just ignore them, they're not even aimed at you are they.
Yes, I suggested exactly that in my first post.
However, if nothing changes and if you dislike it that much and are prepared to leave over it, then who am I to criticise that position having recently been a victim of my own principles. :rolleyes: Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to make a point.
davemaxwell — 2010-04-01T13:54:45-04:00 — #14
Tommy - I've pushed this up the line, so hopefully someone official will respond in here soon.
hawk — 2010-04-01T16:24:59-04:00 — #15
Thanks for the feedback Tommy - we certainly don't want to be annoying people. It's Easter here now so there are no marketing people around until Tuesday but I'll make sure someone replies to your thread asap.
autisticcuckoo — 2010-04-02T02:31:04-04:00 — #16
What annoys me is that they are changing their behaviour. If the forum had been as ad-infested when I first discovered it, I wouldn't have stayed. But it looked clean, and stayed that way for years. Then, all of a sudden, the allegorical shop clerks are clinging to my trouser legs.
SitePoint makes money in other ways, e.g., selling quality books and providing paid web-based services like 99designs, etc. I don't begrudge them their revenue in any way. But if they're going to riddle the forums with obtrusive ads that require an effort to block, they're going too far for my taste.
@Dave, Sarah: Thank you!
jjmcclure — 2010-04-02T04:10:29-04:00 — #17
Just out of curiosity, did you not advertise your book 'The Ultimate CSS Reference'?
(Which I have a copy of and I love the fact that I can talk directly to one of the authors here on SP)
stomme_poes — 2010-04-02T07:02:17-04:00 — #18
Do the authors even have to advertise their books? SitePoint is doing it for them already (many publishers do).
shaynetilley — 2010-04-02T07:22:03-04:00 — #19
Hey Tommy and everyone else, I thought I'd jump in on this conversation. The banner at the top is something we've played around with a couple of times. I'm not going to get into a should we shouldn't we debate about it or an advertisement debate in general. But what I'd rather do is chat about how we can perhaps adjust the way we do the promo bar so that those really against it can do so with little hassle.
I'm not sure about the technical possibilities without leveraging cookies, but I'm sure there is something we can come up with. I'll chat with the Dev guys on Tuesday if they have any ideas and I'll share the outcome.
BTW: Tommy having always listened to every single bit of feedback you've given me over the years, it was pretty hard to swallow the reference to me as the enemy of humanity.
alexdawson — 2010-04-02T07:45:54-04:00 — #20
I don't mean to sound "out of sorts" here (or divert into the debate you wanted to avoid Shayne - so sorry about this) but it was stated that the forums were separate from SitePoint's attempts to increase their business profitability which is rather confusing to me when we do happen to get those pop-up's (not to mention those big flashing banners at the base of every post now). I don't blame SitePoint for wanting to promote their stuff, but I have to agree with Tommy that it feels pretty obtrusive - especially when it requires cookies to make the things go away (even though that doesn't always work for me in chrome!). After all, I've always been one to promote books - Including SitePoint's when a visitor asks for recommendations to get them started in web design (which has probably converted into sales a few times). The recent adverts tend to feel like a "blind swipe" at everyone because it's quite hard to ignore in it's current incarnation.
I promote my book (outside of the forum) even though my publisher (FriendsOfED / APress) also helps in that respect, I think it's a case of the more potential interest you can drum up the better. So I expect Tommy like most other published authors probably do at least drop hints at their books release
I don't think he meant it personally Shayne, but I have to agree with Tommy that marketing people get a little too over enthusiastic with how people are notified to advertisements (and such), there's a fine line between subtle acceptable marketing (that's noticeable and not intrusive) and little animated popup's which reappear even if you hit the close button - even I sometimes want to clunk a few marketing people with the user-experience stick.
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